so we need, as a nation, to remember that it ain't over when they come home. now we have to also deal with what their struggle is still going to be. it's not against the enemy anymore. it's against their own psyches that they need help with. >> the first book was "matterhorn," a novel, a true novel. the new book is "what it is like to go to war." karl marlantes, thank you very much for sharing these experiences with us. >> thank you. it's been a pleasure. >> that's it for this week. after listening to karl marlantes, we are putting on our website, billmoyers.com, some very important information for members of our armed forces who are in trouble and need help. for those of you watching or listening, we hope you'll go there. we also know that many in our audience will want to know how you can contribute or volunteer on behalf of active service members, veterans and their families. they really need our support, and we can help. we've put together a list of agencies and other resources. you'll find it at our website, too -- billmoyers.com. i'll see you there and i